- Those few moments of movement may prevent you from reciting the Kaddish!
- The discomfort of the encounter itself may last a few moments into
- Now imagine if that woman was your own mother or sister or wife or daughter...
The purpose of this blog is threefold: 1) Help me process the multitude of emotions and experiences of the shiva week and on. 2) Share some unexpected parts of the mourning process so others in this position can prepare (where there is warning) or find camaraderie (after the fact) in company with others who may have encountered similar experiences. 3) Assist clergy and well wishers in comforting the bereaved. Use the search features and check back frequently. Posts are spread through the year.
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Before my father died, I naively thought of a shiva call as a sacred mission - to show up, t engage or distract the mourner and make them s...
I suggest you ask the rabbi and Gabbai to announce it and enforce it. Word of mouth won’t do it.
ReplyDeleteThank you! In certain places, I have already brought this up to the leadership and I know they will take the concerns seriously. But just imagine if every man reading this post took upon himself to help reserve the women's section for the women... It would make a powerful impact!
DeleteI've heard about this problem, and am very grateful not to have experienced it more than once or twice. But it disgusts me. (Also, men who walk into the women's section when there are already women there, to get something, take a shortcut, or worst of all- talk to their wife! Unless I can walk my daughter through the men's section to get to her father, just don't. (As you know- I'm fine with mixed seating- but not if it's only on One side of the mechitza...)
ReplyDeleteI'm So sorry this has been happening to you. And if you have the emotional energy/it's a place where there is clergy, I'd say that telling the clergy that this is an on-going problem that you're having is worthwhile- they have additional tools available for dealing with this issue, so you hopefully have to deal with it less often.
Thanks for your comments! In this case, it was 3 different shuls in the 2 days, and all parties seemed genuinely apologetic and/or left immediately on my arrival. The way I see it, it could be that men don't understand how their behavior impacts women's experience.
DeleteAfter writing this post, I also discussed the situation with some friends off line and came to the conclusion that my feelings of guilt at displacing these men were unwarranted - they do know better, as one even told me he was planning to move as soon as any woman arrives. The remaining issue is my discomfort with making a scene and the fact that sometimes I'm delayed from entering the section when a man is leaving, which prevents me from beginning my davening upon arrival. So far it has not yet interfered with Kaddish, and for that I guess I'm very lucky.
I can definitely relate to this. I'm currently saying Kaddish for my father and grandmother, and my mother recently finished saying Kaddish for her mother. She encountered similar problems, as well as sometimes going to minyan and there not being a man saying Kaddish so she couldn't say it by herself, or the mechitza not always being set up correctly. Sorry for your loss.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Yosi. I'm sorry to hear you are part of the club. I generally try to arrive early to make sure the gabbai knows I'm there to say kaddish (I created "Kaddish Cards-stay tuned for a future post on these) - but it's not a guarantee. Sometimes a man will step up and say kaddish with me - in one setting, a man says kaddish every day on behalf of another woman, and has been kind enough to slow down slightly so I can recite the kaddish (quietly) along with him.
ReplyDeleteMay you and your family be comforted among the mourners of Zion and Jerusalem.